Who We Are, And Why We’re Angry

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Dr. Robert Foley and Dr. Michael Ferber began their friendship in 1989 as undergraduate students living in the same dormitory at Cornell University. Dr. Michael’s father and grandfather were both Cornell alumni and veterinarians and Dr. Michael was eager to continue the family tradition. Similarly, Dr. Foley entered Cornell already knowing that he would become a veterinarian. The two quickly became friends and helped each other through the arduous journey of studying for and applying to veterinary school.

As the years progressed both friends entered veterinary school at Cornell and became roommates once again. After veterinary school, Dr. Michael went to work and became a partner in the family business at The North Shore Animal Hospital in Bayside, Queens. The North Shore Animal Hospital was a pioneer in the field of veterinary medicine. It was established in 1939 by Dr. Michael’s grandfather and uncle and at the time was one of the first small animal veterinary practices in the country. Dr. Michael’s father joined the practice later and continued the lineage. Now it was Dr. Michael’s turn to assure that North Shore Animal Hospital would remain at the forefront of veterinary medicine.

Dr. Foley went to work in Brooklyn and worked there for two years. The two remained close friends and finally Dr. Michael asked Dr. Foley to come to North Shore and work with him. Dr. Foley later became a partner. Now the two friends have three practices in the area. The two have had a great time keeping up with the practices and work very hard to be the best veterinarians possible.

As time went on, the two began to ask questions about the general recommendations that veterinarians are taught to give to their patients. There is a fundamental tenet in veterinary medicine that states “primum non nocere” or “first do no harm”. Every veterinarian swears an oath to this important creed. In continuing to strive to be the best; however, the friends started re-evaluating their whole approach to veterinary medicine. If the doctors were going to continue to grow their practices and be at the forefront, was it enough for them to simply follow basic veterinary guidelines? Wasn’t it important to ask questions and challenge the establishment when things just didn’t seem to make sense? Wasn’t it important to make sure that indeed we as veterinarians are in fact doing no harm? Some questions needed to be asked, and the decision was made to do this publicly so that pet owners themselves could make informed decisions for the health of their pets.

Why do veterinarians vaccinate so much? Why do we often vaccinate with vaccines that either have little or NO efficacy against certain diseases? Are some other vaccines, while important, overdone and given because it is an easy way to lure in clients and generate income? Are the vaccines actually dangerous when overused? Are there sufficient challenge studies to document exactly how long veterinary vaccinations provide immunity? Should veterinarians not speak out when they disagree with over-vaccination for fear of being ostracized by their peers? Why do veterinarians make recommendations to their clients that they do not act upon with their OWN pets?

Why do we routinely recommend spaying and neutering as dogma and as the only option for a pet owner? Is an intact animal actually healthier? Does pre-pubertal spaying and neutering actually contribute to disease? Why is the procedure recommended at such an early age? Is spaying and neutering a quick and easy procedure to generate income for the veterinarian?

Why are certain diseases so prevalent in our pets? Why is obesity such a problem with our pets despite “advances in nutrition”? Why is “people food” unhealthy for our pets but processed dog or cat food superior? Does the rush to domesticate our pets and to fit them into our lifestyles actually remove them from their natural state to which their bodies are adapted for optimal health?

These are just some of the questions which we hope to answer. We will do this in an open setting where veterinarians and pet owners can contribute and debate. Some of these issues have been debated behind closed doors by veterinarians for a long time. We feel that it is important to bring these issues out into the open where pet owners can become educated and join in the debate. We do not claim to know all of the answers. We welcome dissent. It is our mission that through this process we will become better veterinarians, better people and better pet owners ourselves. We hope that you will join us.



  1. Barry says:

    Should I spay a re-homed 9 year female GSD..are there eminent health risks if I don’t ? Her weight is good and has, it seems, stopped menstruating.

  2. Barry says:

    err..menstruating?..you know what I mean

    • Angry Vet says:

      The only risk that you are up against now (the only major risk other than extremely rare things like ovarian and uterine cancer) is a pyometra. The choice is yours leave her intact and receive the benefits of sex hormones on the body or spay her to prevent pyometra (you have already accomplished a lot of good things by delaying her spaying into maturation”)

      • Jo says:

        What about estrogen responsive conditions such as diabetes mellitus and mammary carcinomas?

      • Barbara I. Biel says:

        Why not just remove the uterus?

        • Angry Vet says:

          you mean just the ovaries. sometimes that is done but not without risk

        • Dog Mommy says:

          Right on, Barb. Remove the uterus and tubes; no pregnancy but keep all the great benefits of hormones. Conventional vets are beyond ignorant; they’re also very dangerous. Run to homeopathic vets people if you value your animals. These types will on harm and kill your beloved critters.

      • Katharine says:

        We have two, almost 7 month old Anatolian/Great Pyrenees puppies for our farm. These two boys are brothers and tussle a lot. Although both are extremely respectable and loveable puppies to me, they do like to tussle and one, in particular, wants to be the alpha. My vet is telling me that I really need to get them neutered; however, I really do not have a place to keep them inside, other than with the goats who they sleep beside. One pup is the “patroller” and “alpha” and the other is the one that sleeps between the goats.

  3. Rebecca Poston says:

    I have a 7 year old tiny toy poodle that we adopted from a rescue group. The rescue group said he had allergies to most dog foods and recommended (per their vet) salmon only dog food. When we first adopted him he could barely walk, had no flexion in his hind legs and was awkward looking. After a month he started to smell horrible and his skin turned red and his hair started falling out. He was draining from his eyes and matting and all dog food that we tried, including the salmon based food, caused horrible diarrhea. We took him to our vet who said that he had a yeast infection on his skin. He was placed on oral meds and a spray for the skin. We were also told to bath him frequently in a special dermatologic shampoo. Pup cleared up for a month and then it started all over. Vet placed him on ID food which stopped the diarrhea but for the last two years we have fought the yeast infection. We were told he had a chronic yeast infection caused by genetics. Nothing we could do but treat symptomatically. We are looking for better solutions for the dog. He is miserable, sickly, and smells all of the time. We have to put him in baby clothes to keep him from scratching all of the time. Do you have any advise? We don’t want to put him down and I know there must be better options.

    Rebecca Poston and Pepe

    • Angry Vet says:

      I would be happy to take a look if you are local ….otherwise find a local board certified dermatologist. Impossible to give advise without seeing

    • Sarah says:

      Hi Rebecca, hope you manage to get him sorted – poor thing. With regards to food have you tried raw food at all (BARF)? If he has allergies to most processed food it’s certainly worth a try as the system isn’t as taxed as it is trying to digest commercial food.

    • The Versatile Dog says:

      This article/video explains alot about the relationship/connection of yeast – environment – food – immune system – steriods.

      I am finally finding relief for my dog. Lots of unnecessary misery. Their bodies and ours are amazing machines. There is no quick fix, but there is a way to get things back in balance. Good luck!


    • Debra Long says:

      Hi Rebecca, I own and operate Happy Dog Food. It is human food formulated for dogs. Our foods do not contain any meat, we specifically do not add meat to our pre-mixes because we believe feeding your canine companion fresh whole meat that you would eat yourself from the grocer is much healthier than the commercial kibble products, whether it be purchased from a pet supply store or one of the lines of foods from your vet. I would like to send you some samples, we have many many customers that will provide references as to how their dogs suffered on commercial kibble and after switching to Happy Dog Food their canine companions are much healthier. Their skin and coats are in great condition, no more itchy, yeasty problems. Send me an email with your name and address and I will send you some samples, info@happydogfood.com

    • Emily k. says:

      I know this is years later but figured I’d put my .02 cents in for anyone reading that has a similar issue with their poodle. I had an awful time with my poor baby’s skin, she’s a poodle mix and what worked for her was Blue Buffalo Basics salmon kibble supplemented with fish oil and twice a week feed her a cooked human quality steak(unseasoned) cut into strips or blended in a blender with a raw egg and a sweet potato. Stop giving her treats/ food that has a lot of wheat/corn starch etc.

      Also order “Angel Eyes” if she has tear stains(those ugly brown/red marks from corner of eyes and trailing down to nose area). It’s a powder you can buy online and you just add a tiny little scoop to her dinner. Also use filtered water instead of tap water. My dog has NO tear stains now and it used to be a real problem.

      Anyway, I’m just another poodle owner and not a Dr. but this worked for me.

  4. Tracey Schaefer says:

    Why is it that Vets are not trained in home cooking for dogs as appose to commerical dog food which in my opinion is crap!

    • Angry Vet says:

      We are doctors not chefs. There is a limited amount of time that we have to study nutrition in school (remember our nutrition courses have to cover ALL species). This is in addition to the rest of our curriculum which includes medicine, surgery, ophthalmology, radiology, dermatology, orthopedics across ALL species….). Those interested in nutrition can pursue after vet school either through self-education or through the formal board certification process. There are sites available like http://www.balanceit.com which have veterinary nutritionists on site to help balance cooked diets for pets.

      • Tracey Schaefer says:

        If vets are not chiefs than why do they claim to be, by telling us this commerical dog food is good for our dogs when they are not trained in this aspect.

        • Tracey Schaefer says:

          just saying if they dono’t know about this part of the care of our dogs than they shouldn’t be pushing commerical dog food and back off! They could also inform us of the Vets that do know about home cooking/raw diets/vitamins etc… that could help, was shocked at the start of your reply, not impressed better yet.

          • Angry Vet says:

            I think you misunderstood the point Tracey. Read again

          • Fabs says:

            The commercial diets are balanced and most cases the most convenient option for most owners. Cooking for your pet is great, except that it can be difficult to achieve the right balance of nutrients. When a veterinarian asks you to feed a commercial diet, they will essentially then know what is in the diet you are feeding (protein%, fat%, minerals, etc). When you cook for your pet, who knows what they are actually getting! Not to mention that consulting with a nutritionist often times means more expense to the client and the majority of clients do not want to pay for that added cost.

        • Jas says:

          Follow the money trail. It is my understanding that the industrial pet food corps have a big influence in schools.

          Here’s a question, why does almost every vet office stoch and sell Science Diet?

          • Angry Vet says:

            some truth to that ..at least the fact that Science diet and other dog food producers do spend money trying to advertise in schools. NO VETS however get rich selling dog food…none. The carrying costs are too high and the margins are too small. A lot of these companies like Eukanuba, Hills, Purina, and the like do do a fair amount of research and some of the advances in nutrition have been very helpful in treating certain diseases and extending life expectancy with such diseases. It’s all not quite as nefarious as you make it out to be

      • Virginia says:

        Good answer!Would you ask Van Gogh to paint you garage.

      • Dr. Corinne Chapman says:

        Hey fellow Angry Vets,

        I’m a fairly angry Vet in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, and I LOVE what you have done here! I agree that we cannot know everything upon graduation from Vet school. It has been 17 years for me and I still feel I know very little when it comes to nutrition and vaccines, but I persist. I am a strong advocate for minimal vaccines and preventative nutrition. I love to connect with like-minded and open-minded peeps!


        • Harry Angell says:

          Hello Dr Chapman, I have a 7.5 yr. old Shepard/Lab cross who has gone lame in his left leg and is losing a lot of his muscle mass in his back end. His left leg pretty much just dangles there and gets in the way of his right leg(he is also knuckling). He has experienced great pain and is on many meds. that allow him some comfort. He had his rabies vaccination about a month or so ago, a few days before we went on holidays, was fine for 2 weeks after the shot but then developed a limp in his left leg(the leg he had his shot in). This limp worsened over about 1.5 weeks until he just wouldn’t walk. He has now been diagnosed with severe arthritis of the spine but we have had him to a specialist(neurologist) who guesses he has cancer or meningitis in his spine. I’m very suspicious of the rabies vaccine , they keep telling us that the vaccine is very safe but the way this all happened so rapidly after the vaccination leads me to believe it was the rabies vaccination.

      • Emily k. says:

        Thanks for the link on dog nutrition, I’m always looking for new recipes for my poodle mix to try in addition to her kibble.

    • Dog Mommy says:

      Because they’re educated by big pharma and pet food manufacturers who make no money from healthy animals. No vaccines/chemicals/drugs along with the species appropriate diet results in great health, sharp minds and a much longer life for dogs/cats. That means no money for conventional vets who only know how to harm and kill animals using vaccines/drugs/chemicals. Run to a homeopathic vet and educate yourself on natural pet rearing. Talk to natural rearing breeders and pet owners; you’ll learn the amazing results this brings. My friend’s natural raised Chihuahua lived to be 23 years old with never illness or disease.

  5. Sarah says:

    I’d just like to say thank you for doing this site and being so open about the industry – so great to have a qualified opinion out there that reflects my own :)

  6. Nikki says:

    I have a 6 month old Am. Bulldog that was rescued 3 weeks ago. After a week and a half, I noticed that she probably had demodectic mange and took her in. I was right. This is my second dog rescued with mange except this one doesn’t seem to be clearing as fast. She’s only been on the med for 10 days. Should I take her back for a re-check? It’s so expensive! Is there anything that I can do at home to help with this? My other dogs (4) are all fine.

    • Angry Vet says:

      Firstly, depends if localized form or systemic. If systemic y ou need long term oral ivermectin..not that expensive and dips not usually necessary. Other thing is that not contagious so don’t worry about your other dogs if they are not related (related may get cause genetic not contagious)j need to do periodic scrapings to recheck that is all and periodic rechecks if itching (demodex not itchy usually so some other infection maybe going on), lesions spreading, or sick

      • Nikki says:

        Yes, definitely systemic. She went back to vet this past Friday for her last DHLPP and he said she was looking better than when I brought her in so that was encouraging. Thanks for your reply and for being here doing what you do!

        • Nik says:

          Nikki, Your vet should not be vaccinating a puppy with demodex. Ask your vet to provide you with the instructions that come with the vaccine he innoculated/assaulted your pet with. You will see that it reads “For use in healthy pets” or something along those lines. Your vet is naive about the cause of demodex and the damage the vaccines could do to your pet’s delicate immune system. Was the dog vaccinated right about the time you adopted her? If so, it makes sense that the demodex showed up when it did. Vaccines often trigger a demodex flare up and in some cases a severe, generalized demodecosis. The Ivermectin will not make your dog better, it only kills the mites while your dog’s immune system struggles to catch up and get past the damage the vaccines cause. I would advise you see a different vet, one who knows a demodectic mange case should not be vaccinated (especially with a multivalent vaccine). If the dog were one of my rescues, I would immediately place the dog on a 100% raw diet and gradually reduce ivermectin over a period of 5-15 days depending on response (if dog is doing well, I would reduce it more quickly). I might also bathe the pet in a mild tea-tree shampoo every 4 days and/or sponge any infected areas with colloidal silver 2-4x/day depending on what the skin looks like. If the skin of the hairless patches is red, crusty, or weeping, I use the silver more often. If the mites are confirmed alive by skin scraping, I might also dust the pet with diatomaceous earth daily to assist with killing of the mites. These steps just buy the pet some relief until the nutrition can boost the pet’s immune system. It’s the immune system that needs to keep the little buggers in check so consider feeding raw always. Most importantly, I would refrain from vaccinating that pet, for the remainder of it’s life. I am not saying this is what you should do or what will work in all cases. This is just what I have have had success with. Good Luck to you and your pup!

          • David says:

            A course on immunology would be helpful here. Vaccines cause an immunologic response to specific antigens …ie viruses, bacteria, etc. Multivalent vaccines cause a response to multiple antigens. In some individuals this response is too much response causing a general increased inflammatory effects…ie fever, malaise, injection site reactions, etc. Too much response doesn’t translate into “damage” to the immune system. In no way does that mean immunity to other antigens..demodex, bacteria, viruses, etc is in any way effected. Please refrain from presenting misinformation as facts.
            There is no concrete scientific evidence yet how to make the immune system “work better” besides specific antigen stimulation. It is and has been intensively tried and experimented on for 50+ years by the best of the best. If one comes up with such a formulation that person will likely get a Nobel prize. Raw diet ain’t it.
            There is nothing wrong with not knowing or understanding something …none of us know everything…but it’s dangerous to still act as though we do.

    • Fabs says:

      No offense intended here, but did you not consider that your rescued pet may have medical problems? I find it admirable that you rescued a dog, but if you cannot afford proper veterinary follow up care then you may want to consider keeping your number of pets to a minimum.

      • Pat Anderson says:

        Rescue needs defined. Rescue is done when a dog needs a home because of owners leaving them behind or no longer want them or because of illness etc. Most Shelters adopt out pets without problems but they contact a rescue if they have either health, age or behavior problems or if they are running out of time. When a rescue takes them in, They have them evaluated by a vet if a responsible rescue and do not adopt out for at least two weeks to find out the personality and needs of a dog/cat. All responsible rescues tell those adopting of any health issues. Right now I have a foster Border Collie who is 8 months old and soon will go to WSU for surgery because the tubes from her kidneys do not go into the bladder where they should and she leaks 100% of the time but very heavily when she sits down. Who ever adopts her will get all records. A person adopting from a rescue is not the one who rescues a dog.

        • Emily k. says:

          A TON of “rescues” have cropped up in recent years that are little more than puppy mill brokers/backyard breeders/ scams. Since there’s nothing stopping any meth head from calling themselves and possibly a few buddies “Rescues” despite the fact that the so called org.s haven’t completed any of the legal/tax paperwork to be labeled a legitimate 501(c) charity then they just call themselves a charity/rescue.

          The so called rescue workers either breed/steal and then resell dogs that are cute and trendy (a.k.a the toy companion breeds) or breed/steal and then resell dogs with a high thug cred value (bully breeds). It’s a way of life for some of these P.O.S’s and sadly, they often wrangle their way into the peripheries of legitimate dog care operations so that they seem less suspect. People are more likely to give away their “problem” dog to a groomer or a breeder that promises to find them a good home…meanwhile the groomer/breeder just uses the purebred dog as a stud/mill mom for backyard breeding, sells them on Craigslist as if they are the owner or even sells them to labs that do animal testing on them(beagles are a lab test favorite) or else they use them for dog fighting either as a fight dog if it’s a bully breed or a bait dog if it’s a companion toy breed.

          There needs to be more legislation RE: who has the right to call themselves a dog rescue group and a limit on how much a rescue group is allowed to profit from the “rehoming” of a dog.

          • Eddie Watts, DVM says:

            Emily, I have been a veterinarian for 27 years, and have worked in, or with, animal shelters and “rescue orgs” for 36 years. I am currently an animal shelter veterinarian, and probably will be the rest of my life. I know your comment was meant to be well-meaning and helpful, but your characterization of “rescues” was unfittingly narrow and horribly judgmental. While I’m sure some of the rescues of which you spoke DO exist, in my 36 years I’ve never seen one, but I HAVE read news stories of them. So, your point is duly noted. However, the vast majority of rescues are legit, and well-meaning to a fault. Legitimate rescues are not money-making enterprises. Funds are scant in most, and we don’t make a killing off of a $300-$400 adoption fee after we spay and neuter, pay for medical supplies and services, and feed and house a dog for anywhere from 2 days to 2 years. We lose money on every single dog. The balance has to be made up by begging the community for donations or working our tails off (pun intended) having low revenue fundraisers constantly. We are in a poor, rural, and relatively uneducated, working-class county in the south. People can’t afford much here. I know, people shouldn’t have dogs if they can’t afford them, but they have them. And … they are very irresponsible. They let unspayed/neutered dogs roam the community, then complain about the strays, then complain because their taxes have to pay a “dog catcher” to round them up. It’s always about the money. I don’t know why people have dogs when they can’t afford to be responsible for them. But, they do. It takes a certain type of person to spend the vast majority of their free time, and indeed the biggest part of their lives caring for relatively unadoptable dogs in a rescue. But, that’s what we do. It’s not because it’s our job. It’s not. It’s not for the money. There is never enough. But, we wake up each day feeling like we are making a difference, sometimes a small difference, sometimes a really big difference. But, do remember, a rescue is a sanctuary. It’s also an orphanage. Sometimes, you feel like it’s a prison. For some dogs, it’s a horrible place, albeit a temporary one. One at which we do the best we can until they get lucky and get a happy permanent home. But, it’s not the rescue’s fault. It’s society’s fault. We all need to learn to respect animals and give them the rights and fair treatment they deserve as much as we do.

  7. susan says:

    I have a 6 year old cockapoo who started sneezing something awful about 6-7 weeks ago .. snot everywhere ,, it was terrible . I took her to my vet who tried her on 3 different antibiotics .. switched vets because it did not clear up . New vet put her on more and different antibiotics and a couple different antihistamines. He suggested it was her teeth so we had her teeth cleaned and he did periodontal work on them ,,, and removed 2. While under, he x-rayed her entire nasal area .. NOTHING abnormal. He did cultures and found a particularly resistant fungal whatever so gave her special nose drops. Sooo after .. 7 weeks of over 7 different medications, and $2300 … this poor girl is STILL very congested , sneezes a lot and miserable. Any idea’s ??????

    • Angry Vet says:

      the possibilities are fungal infection that is requiring oral antifungals, foreign body or tumor in the nasal cavity not seen on xrays (often times need rhinoscope, CT etc), teeth that needed extraction but weren’t extracted or roots that were left in when teeth where they were extracted…the list goes on and on. You need to find a specialist in your area or a very qualified veterinarian who works closely with specialists. Unfortunately gonna cost you again ….they’re gonna start at the beginning

  8. Karen Griffith says:

    One of our boxers has just been diagnosed with lymphoma. We are going to research our options of chemotherapy & also see if there are any holistic options. How does chemotherapy in dogs compare to chemo in people? I have seen many people have terrible side effects from chemo. What are the side effects in dogs?

    • Angry Vet says:

      will be doing a post soon with dr. Sue our oncologist and will address this topic but in general chemo MUCH easier on dogs than people

  9. Karen Daniels says:

    Hi I have a nearly 5 year old rabbit who has had an abscess for nearly 3 years now. He has anti-biotics but I also add Aloe Vera Gel to his food which he loves. My Mother also uses it for her Chihuahua as he was scratching, loosing his hair and generally feeling very sorry for himself. Within a week he was playing with his toys again and shortly afterwards his hair started to grow back. My mother, Norma Armstrong, has just been made President for the British Chihuahua Club and has breed chihuahua’s for over 40 years so knows a lot about dogs so was really impressed. Is it something you have looked into using for the animals in your care? There are no side effects but lots of benefits

  10. Kyra says:

    This site is a great find for me. I only regret not digging and finding this sooner. I have 2 male Siberian Huskies, my first dog pets. The vet really laid on thick the need to have them fixed by stating things like the increased cancer risk, aggression risk, etc. I had my boys done at 10 months old even though my gut told me I shouldn’t do so. I figured that my vet knew better than I. It really hit me when I took my own son to the doctor for reproductive issues and the medical doctor told me they wouldn’t operate on my son so as not to negatively affect his reproductive system especially for something that was not life threatening. If something isn’t good for humans, it probably isnt good for animals either at least in this case. I now also have a 1 year old GSD (and a new vet!), she is still in tact and I plan on keeping her that way. If it ain’t broke, dont fix it!

  11. Peter Martin says:

    Hi guys,

    I’ve just become ‘angry’ too and a bit despondent and saddened. I’m not a vet but an experienced owner of intact male whippet lurchers. My wife Tina and me have just had a fairly unedifying run-in with a homing charity here in the UK (read about it at oldlongdog.com and if you want to see some extremist ranting check out our Facebook page called Saving Humbug’s Privates). They asked us to home a 9-month old whippet lurcher who was still intact but they wanted to castrate him whereas we offered to pay for a vasectomy instead. Well, it’s all got really unpleasant and they castrated him yesterday and won’t even talk to us now. Too late for Humbug but we have uncovered a systematic programme of castration as ‘policy’ rather than what our vet calls ‘evidence based medicine’ (EBM). We’ve discovered that our Animal Welfare Act 2006 has an exemption to allow this as it would otherwise be an offence (two, actually) under the Act and animal ‘welfare’ charities are just castrating everything in sight, regardless of age or behavioural profile. We want to start a campaign to get the exemption amended so that the principles of EBM are adhered to and that where vasectomy would be more appropriate to prevent unwanted pregnancies that they use this instead of castration.

    We’re really interested by the information on your website, particularly the survey data indicating health dis-benefits associated with neutering. However, in the interests of ‘evidence based campaigning’ (?!) we’d like to be able to quote the source studies as we’ve come under attack from the castration ‘evangelists’ who are questioning or information. We’d really appreciate any help we can get.

    Cheers, Pete and Tina

  12. shelley says:

    hi i have a dog with a acl tear and i need help what to do and ask some questions.
    i appreciate so much the info on this website but how can i contact you or you contact me directly do you do a phone call and if you do can you please send me your number and day and time i could have a phone consult or ask question to you?
    also i see the no pet store buy puppies but they are a life too and need a home too why would we be advocating not giving those dogs a home. to me they also deserve a home and unfortunate how they got there but they are there and they have to pay for what has happened. the root of the problem is the puppy mill which i am for stopping. pet stores offer convenience for people who dont know where to go to get a puppy. i got 2 of my dogs from a pet store.8 years ago and they are wonderful and needed a home badly one was in the store a long time im glad i got them out.

    • Angry Vet says:

      Hi Shelly,

      My daytime number at the East Meadow Veterinary Clinic is 516-743-9595. I am there Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. We certainly feel very bad for the pets from puppy stores, and see many of them that are great. You’re right that it’s not their fault where they ended up. However, the way they ended up there is because there continues to be an end-market for the sales of these dogs, which in turn, provides income and longevity to the puppy mills. The puppy stores refer to the puppy mills as their “breeders”. This is complete nonsense. The puppy mills from which these poor dogs originate are horrible, and continued purchases from puppy stores will perpetuate their existence ad-infinitum.

  13. Jon says:

    We just lost our 9.5 yr old neutered male GSD to splenetic hemangiosarcoma. He was neutered at approx age 7-8 mos. We will be getting another male puppy in the spring, and are weighing the risks of hemangiosarcoma, risk of perinanal fistulas, and probs with enlarged prostate later in life, with our decision whether or not to neuter, and at what age. The evidence shows hemagiosarcoma risk to be increased, but perianal fistula risk to be decreased with neutering. We would not neuter, at any rate, until at least 18 mos. What would you advise?

    • Angry Vet says:

      Please read our blog titled “Should I Fix My Dog” for a detailed description of our opinion about neutering and the reasons behind it. However, for a short answer, for male dogs I do not recommend neutering unless a medical problem dictates that it should be done.

  14. Karin Dabour says:

    I have a 5 year old male Japanese Chin. Yoshi is healthy other than what appears to be a stubborn fungal/ bacterial infection in the nasal area. As he is a brachiocephalic breed ,the folds in the area do not allow aeration. I have tried miconizole nitrate as treatment.Unfortunately Yoshi rubs the medication off as soon as it is applied(powder or oinment) . The condition has become chronic with redness, itchiness and lately odor. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. P.S.-I live locally-East Meadow and happened to notice that your office is open for business. Good Luck !

    • Angry Vet says:

      I really cannot comment specifically without seeing your dog and doing the proper tests to determine what the infection is. But, if there is a deep bacterial infection, oral antibiotics may be needed. If there is a fungal infection, the species of fungus must be determined, as there are different medications indicated for each. Here too, oral meds may be needed. These would be in addition to aggressive daily cleaning – for life. Worst case scenario, some of these dogs do best with surgical excision of the nasal fold.

      Dr. Mike

  15. PG says:

    Just a suggestion. Your site could use a search function. Best of luck to you guys. I like what your doing.

  16. How do you get a vet to be responsible for the harm they’ve done? Dr. Wm. Schultz DVM in Okemos, MI left gauze in my show dog during a C-section and she subsequently almost died from a pyometra infection caused by the gauze. I have been asking for justice for FOUR years and all he’s done is stall, lie, threaten, and try and wiggle out of taking responsibility for the $7,000 vet bill required to save my girl’s life. He has gone so far as to get postings like this removed (from me and others) so people never find out about his negligence.

    • Angry Vet says:

      Unfortunately, we cannot comment on your situation. I’m sorry you and your dog went through what you did, but your’s is a legal question, not medical. Our site is dedicated to providing an avenue for the public to attain information on medical questions for their pets.

    • Jim says:

      @ Cindy:

      1. So sorry that your beloved dog went through this.

      2. How to settle this score a little, while WARNING OTHERS in your area:

      I would post DETAILED reviews ALL OVER the web about this clown. Go to ripoffreport.com, pissedconsumer.com, compliantsboard.com, google reviews for the business, yelp, etc. Thee are the highest ranked review sites.

      Then MAKE SURE you put the ALL of the following keywords in the subject;

      1. Full name of vet Dr. William Schultz, Veterinarian William Schultz, etc —

      2. Name of clinic “Leave gauze in your Dog infection clinic” really: put in the full actual name,

      3. City where clinic is, State where the clinic is located

      4. Phone number of this morons’ office + address (with area code)

      5. “veterinarian complaints”

      The reason you MUST include all this info, these specific keywords, is to WARN anyone else who is searching for a vet – this will enable the search results to be easily found, and show this SOB a few things about taking care of Dogs properly, as well as the Dogs Parent.

      I know, I had an online reputation business. Rest assured, if your follow this review process as I described it, this vet will lose $50-100,000 + in the next 24 months.

      Now for some good news: FYI ripoffreport.com AND complaintsboard.com NEVER remove a report, once it is posted. YOU cannot even remove it.

      Be factual, detailed [750 + word complaint], restrain from blatant insults like calling the guy a trashbag which he is.

      Write the compliant in word and save it 1st, so you do not lose it if your web connection failed, and to repost it.

      Dr. William Schultz, William Schultz veterinarian, Okemos Michigan veterinarians, Okemos vets, Okemos MI, Schultz veterinary clinic.

      After writing this, I see you did ripoff report. Go search for other complaint sites and repost the RipoffReport and yelp review. I saw how this punk put this up as a reponse:

      “I have done over 30,000 surgical procedures and this is the only foreign material that remained in a surgery.

      Mulan survived and is doing well.

      She was never a “champion” and had three pups all with retained testicles which is considered a genetic problem. She never had “health clearances” prior to breeding.

      This owner has filled this report with only one fact and the remainder is her “Free Speech”. “

  17. Birgit Hilsbos says:

    Help needed:

    My friend’s dog has keratits. Can you recommend a specialist in USA or Canada?

    Thank you for your support.

  18. Mavis says:

    Hello! This is kind of off topic but I need some help from an
    established blog. Is it tough to set up your own blog? I’m not very techincal but I can figure things out pretty quick. I’m thinking
    about creating my own but I’m not sure where to begin. Do you have any points or suggestions? Many thanks

  19. Vinnie says:

    Are you in favor of running titer testing regarding immunity of certain vaccinations? Isn’t leptospirosis vaccination only 75 percent effective since there are many strains of this bacteria and it is short lived vaccination? What is your opinion on giving multiple 3 in 1 shots for convenience rather than single injections. Doesn’t the use of multiple injections cause immune systems to overwork which can lead to potential harmful diseases, or behaviors?

  20. Jim says:

    Wow! Honest Vets!!!

  21. Eric says:

    I have a 9 y/o female toy poodle. Within the last couple years she has started to limp alittle and when I would take her for walks, she no longer likes to walk on the concrete, but tends to stay in the grass.

    My vet said that he thought she had hammer toes and there wasn’t much I could do. I’ve never heard of this. When she walks her front paws do tend to look bowlegged or angle inward. It looks to me like she has GSD with carpal luxation or something similar. It does appear like she is wearing floppy socks sometimes when she sits and/or walks.

    She seems happy, eats well, and is always anxious to go on walks. She jumps up onto her favorite pillows on the couch and bed, but I’ve always had something for her to jump on first so she wouldn’t have to jump so high. She jumps on a footstool first then jumps onto the bed.

    She will run and chase balls and loves to play fetch and doesn’t appear to be in any pain when she does this. She does tend to lift her hind legs alternating them back and forth, but this is mostly when she is standing still or waiting for me to throw a ball to her.

    So, do you think this hammer toes or GSD with carpal luxation? Is there anything that I can do to improve it? I’m going back to the vet this friday, so I want to ask him more questions or anything else you would suggest. Thanks for such a great site!

    • Emily k. says:

      My poodle had a luxating patella in both back knees, apparently it’s a breed problem with poodles being quite prone to it. My baby reached stage 3 and she had surgery for both knees and after resting a bit she is walking proud with no more bow legs and tricky knees. Kinda $$$$ though but totally worth it.

  22. Melissa says:

    And firstly, thank you for being so generous of your time and talent by sharing your advice here. I’m thrilled to have found your website.
    My 6yo ~55-60 lbs goldendoodle Bella, over the past few months, has gone from a general reluctance to put weight on her back right knee to now holding it up off the ground entirely. When I first reported this to my vet, (at a visit where I had to carry her in because she was not walking willingly), the vet took the leash and trotted Bella around the vet’s lobby to show me that Bella was still able to walk. (This didn’t seem like a good approach to me because Bella had already chosen to not be moving much around home.) Anyway, an xray was done, and I was told she had the beginning of arthritis. No mention of acl. Now that she is really using only 3 legs, I took her back in and they did some “drawer” test on her and said she has acl damage.
    I have never had a dog with this, so I started googling. I read about stem cell injections (sounded good, but your thoughts?) Also read about injecting some kind of irritant into the area to cause an inflammatory response that might help the acl. I’ve read a lot online about passive management (braces, limited mobility, etc.), but I’ve not found any real and unbiased reviews on braces. I’ve emailed a couple of vet surgeons who say surgery is the only good course, but they do not seem to be objective since they are obviously advocates for surgery.
    So generally, do you have any advice?
    She is not a sedentary dog. She is our family. She follows us everywhere even when we try to limit her due to her lame right leg.
    I would really appreciate your viewpoint.
    She is a great dog. She has just come out of a nasty blastomycosis infection. Was on meds for a year (every 12 hrs). They told us she would likely not survive, but she was a great patient, and we got through it, but for a bout of vasculitis at the end (caused by the meds).
    We just want to see her active and happy.
    Thanks for your thoughts on this.

  23. Terri Powell, R.Ph. says:

    Jumped over from the angry pharmacist’s website to ask if dog owners are reporting any serious adverse reactions to your office after giving their dog the spinosad/milbemycin combo.

  24. Lisa says:

    I have a 2yr old intact female aussie that has been through two seasons. After her second season, she was off her food, moody, anxious and grumpy with our other two dogs. She was like this for about a month (the vet diagnosed her as hormonal). I was originally thinking to keep her intact, but am now reconsidering based on how hormonal she was. What is your opinion on this?
    Thanks so much for your time,

  25. Licia says:

    I have a female cat that lives only inside and is 1 year old now. She´s had 2 heat periods I guess and now its been sometime she doesnt have it.
    Since she lives inside I am considering not operating her but I read so many stories here of possible diseases. Well, how something thats perfect can be a bad thing..;I mean, is it ok to let her be like she is now?
    Thank you,

  26. valerie lombardo says:

    I have a male 9yr old German Shepard diagnosed with an injured left back ACL injury and surgery is suggested-is it wise to try more conservative treatment like restricted activity -I just want to do right for my pet

  27. Monika says:

    Hi, I 100% agree with you on almost everything you write on your website. Bravo! The public needs this info! However…my 18m old in tact male cat gets into a lot of fights and I am wondering how if it would be better to neuter him if that would me he would not get into as many fights. I try to keep him indoors but my small kids often open the door and he sneaks out. Any advice? Thank you.

  28. Diane says:

    Would one of you be willing to talk to me either by email or maybe phone; about my 8 year old female belgian shepherd. I am so stressed ad confused and scared to death to make the decision to spay or not at her age. I just adopted her from a breeder who was finished breeding her. Her last litter she had just recently at 7.5 years old. (probably too old) Anyway, she is an extrememely soft and loving dog. Very sensitive. I have been reading so much on this controversy of this subject. I want to make the right decision for my dog. If you would be willing to help I would so appreciate it. I can even compensate you for you time if you’d like. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely Diane

  29. Kelly says:

    Hi – We have a 1 year old, intact, male GSD. We are adopting a Golden Retriever puppy in 2 weeks. The new puppy’s contract requires us to spay/neuter between 12-18 months. We’re debating whether to get a male or female puppy given the issues with spaying/neutering discussed on this site. Our GSD is very well-trained and good-natured; he’s not evidenced any aggressive tendencies. We want to do what’s best for both dogs. We’d welcome any advice. Thank you.

  30. Donna says:

    I have a 4 yr gsd – the vet said she has perineal fistula & said to give her prednisone & atopica – she has no open sores she chews the base of her tail. We decided to change her food and give her the prednisone only we feel that we need to find someone who can help us do right by our dog. Also she has been eating the ice outside is that normal. Thank u

  31. Tina Fujimagari says:

    Last week I took my approx 8 to 9 month old cat to be spayed and vaccinated. Approx four days after the procedure she began to drool and her appetitite was not good. I told them on the follow up call that she was congested. After the long weekend I took my cat back to vet and was told she has Calicivirus. I was told that she probably had the virus and the stress and the calicivirus caused her to get sick. I have had this cat since she was approximately 6 months, she was an old little to a feral female cat and contact with other cats was nil. Is what I was told right? Or did she catch the virus at the vets? I just want to be sure, if she caught it at the vets I would have rather them tell me this rather than avoiding it with a non truth. Can you put me at ease? thank you!

  32. troutlily says:

    I love the questions you raise in your “Who we are” statement. Here’s one issue of mine – I have a dog that gets highly stressed at each and every vet visit, so I try very hard to minimize the # of visits (esp. now that she is a senior with multiple health issues) to minimize her stress. She also hates to be restrained and panics, fighting for all she’s worth, to the point of injuring herself. I try my best to explain this to each new vet or tech we encounter, to explain that it’s better for HER if they try to gain her trust and cooperation, than to physically force her. I also explain that she will be much more cooperative if I’m allowed to accompany or assist. This is usually received as a challenge to their competence, and invariably I am dismissed – “oh, all dogs are afraid” (no, they aren’t), or “We’re trained professionals, we know what we’re doing, where`s your vet degree,” and the ubiquitous “we can’t allow that, for insurance reasons.” It won’t take long for some to realize that I’m not exaggerating, and a small number have been willing to involve me as much as possible. (A small number have also been so unprofessional, unethical, and abusive, I should have reported them). I can take the rudeness, but don`t EVER take it out on my dog.

    So here are my questions –
    1) Why is it so difficult to accept that someone who has 1, 3, 12 years of experience with an individual animal might actually know something about that individual that a “professional” can’t automatically know?
    2) Why do so many vets/techs prefer to try to silence a client with their credentials, rather than listen and respect the owner`s knowledge
    3) I understand that (most) people in veterinary professions choose their careers because they love and want to help animals, so it can`t be easy to see themselves as the `bad guys` (in my dog`s eyes). What can I say to communicate my dog’s “white coat syndrome” in a way that will be accepted (at least until proven otherwise)?
    4) How can I communicate that multiple visits and procedures are not “benign,” and I may resist such recommendations, not because I`m ignorant, or cheap, or lazy, but because it`s my job to protect her and provide for her wellbeing… That is, how can I get a vet on board with a `minimal stress`approach…

  33. Ellen says:

    We have 5 year old Bouvier des Flandres intact male. We chose not to neuter based on the fact that it did not prevent prostate cancer. The Bouvier now has prostatitis , whihc has been cleared up with cipro…almost 3 weeks worth. Our vet is afraid that the prostatitis will come back and maybe with a vengeance and recommends neutering as the cure. We have been researching and it appears that neutering to cure bph/prostatitis is comtroversial… What is your advice.? Thank you!

  34. Mary says:

    Just wondering why you guys charge 250.00 for Zeutering when the actual cost of the injection is 25.00? That’s quite a mark up.

    • Angry Vet says:

      a lot goes into pricing and a lot goes into the procedure more than the cost of the injection.

    • Jessey says:

      It’s $150 at Faithful Friends Animal Hospital in Brooklyn:

      Faithful Friends Animal Hospital
      2455 McDonald Ave
      Brooklyn, NY 11223

  35. Edward Debuse says:

    Hi Angry Vets,

    Your Twitter feed (@angryvets) is spewing out stock related spam and has been comprimised. I will be forced to unfollow you unless you fix it. Which would be a shame because I like you guys. PS – why no site updates in so long?

    • Angry Vet says:

      just unfollow us on twitter …that account not used for angryvet stuff anymore. ….kind of don’t actively blog anymore but you never know….

  36. Michelle O'Laughlin says:

    I had my cat neutered by a place that offered it for $35 (Ohio Alleycat Rescue). His meow sounded different when he came back and within about four days it looked like his testicles had “regrown” so we called them and they said that it was normal, his testicles were removed and we didn’t know what we were talking about b/c we weren’t vets. On day ten he fell down and couldn’t walk or stand he had seizures so we rushed him to a 24 hour emergency clinic who said he had a raging infection that had gotten into his bloodstream and entered his brain causing the seizures. We had to euthanize him. It cost us $279 all together. We contacted the people who neutered him and they said if the vet confirmed the infection caused him to have to be put down they would reimburse us “every penny you spent”. The vet confirmed it but when we called for reimbursement they said they don’t do that and that we signed a waiver to have him neutered and we couldn’t sue. We asked why they didn’t offer us antibiotics when we called initially or recommend seeing our vet and they said they don’t do that. So can we really not sue them? At this point we paid them to kill our cat.

  37. Kellie Dean says:

    We have a wonderful 14.5 year old lab who has always been in remarkable shape and my running partner for most of his life. Two weeks ago he stopped eating but was drinking a lot of water. This went on for about 2 days and then he began eating again. However, this pattern has progressed and he would turn his nose up at almost all food, and now he won’t eat at all. It seems as if he likes something for a day or two (chx, cooked eggs, etc) and then no more. Dry dog food is out of the question, mixing it with wet food is a no as well. He has lost 15/20 pounds and is boney. He still wants to run with me when he sees my clothes/shoes and is still perky (I taken him for verynshort walks.) This, however, can’t go on much longer. Being 14.5 years old, I Don’t think expensive tests are necessary and am perplexed due to his upbeat disposition. I don’t know how long to let him go without any food nor do I know what feed him…he turns his head to EVERYTHING, but water. Suggestions?

    Thank you


    Dear Dr. Robert Foley and Dr. Michael Ferber I’m really glad to find your webpage , all my life I had wonder if there was any ethical doctors a life well after i fund your webpage i believe there are , yes the tow of you , and this give me a great hope , on April 15 at 1:30 I walk out to the front of the house in Las Vegas , Nevada to see the Lunar Eclipse , my son is being looking after his Fiance Pet a great healthy Black / Brown Pomeranian he runaway out and but the time i notice he was gone .
    I fill all the area with posters and last nite we got a call that he was taken to : ” The Animal Foundation ” and when there to pick him up , liter that I know the said they will not release the dog until i sing a document of consent for the dog to be spay/neuter and when I refuse they let me know if i don’t i will lose it , this is terrible , I like to prevent this from happening in the future what can I do !! will you let me know , how can we stop this bad peoples from doing this Unethical practices , thank you

  39. Aileen says:

    I have a 1 year old Toy Aussie and a 3 yr old Teapot Aussie. They have been invaded with fleas. I gave them both Advantage last night at 10pm and today I still see fleas on my Teapot at 1:00pm. When will they go away? They are both scratching terribly

  40. Gary Lindquist says:

    Trying to subscribe to your blog using email but when I enter my information, it asks me to enter some information for security purposes but the information does not show up on the page and when I hit the button to subscribe it tells me that the information is incomplete.

  41. Hilly says:

    My 3 year old Dotson was neutered 3 months ago. I am now seeing the area with the scar looking pink. Do you think an infection is setting in

  42. Annika Poppler says:

    Thank you for a great website with up to date info about dog biology and medicine !!
    If possible we would be very thankful if you could refer us to a veterinarian in the UK ( or Sweden…) with the competence to evaluate if testesteron replacement therapy could be a good alterantive treatment for our portugese waterdog Aragon. – Or if possible you could help us in any way…though New York beeing very far away from Sweden..

    He is a a two year old male with an increase in stress and aggression problems after the loss of a testicle last autum ( accident).

    Best regards Annika Poppler / living in Stockholm Sweden

  43. Paula Mutzel says:

    I have an 8 year old spayed female miniature poodle. Last Monday I took her for the shots the Vet recommended that she have, Leptospira and Corona. She was fine until 6 days later when she stopped eating, started vomiting constantly and developed very bloody, foul smelling runny diarrhea. She is now on medications and sub-cu fluids. Could this be a delayed reaction to the vaccines (which I was hesitant to give her anyway) ? My vet would like to hospitalize her for further testing, I am going to wait one more day to see how she does on the meds. Any suggestions?? Thank you.

  44. nancy says:

    Since we’re required by low to get an annual rabies vaccine for our Havanese, is there a better brand of vaccine to use? A vet we’re looking at uses Pfizer (I think that’s the spelling). Our 7 yr.old female Havanese had her shots, all of them, every year for the first 4 years and then I learned about over vaccinating. In your opinion, would she be safe not getting anything except rabies? I groom at home and she rarely comes in contact with another dog. Thank you for your help.

  45. Jacqui says:

    My 8 year old Boston has had diarrhea for almost a week. She’s eating, drinking, happy, etc. I tried a 12 hour fast and fed her rice and carrots and she still has the runs. She normally eats a dry salmon based dog food. Do I need to take her to the vet or will this run it’s course? I treat her monthly for fleas, ticks, and heart worm(I’m in GA). Heart worm is treated with liquid ivermectin. Thanks!

  46. roger mason says:

    why aren’t you promoting vasectomy and
    tubal ligation for sterilization?
    this is the real answer.

    • allison says:

      roger et. al, do you know of any new york metropolitan-area vets who are performing vasectomy? any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

  47. bill says:

    Current situation:
    My wife and I (+ our 8year old golden retriever, male) just took in a 1.5+/- male golden retriever.

    The lifestyle this poor little guy had was good, little apartment and little interaction. Since taking him in, he is a very happy and excited boy. He seems to have hesitation to men and aggressiveness (showing teeth and growling) to our gentle, chill and sweet big 8yr old.

    Recently learning now he may not have had his second round of annual shots and is still not yet neutered. He is a very handsome guy who was probably a puppy mill dog and purchased in the store by a girl not ready for the real responsibilities.

    My question is:
    1) Can the aggressiveness from the little dog be stressing the older 8yr out physically and mentally even though he doesn’t show it, just avoids the little guy?… I really want to see this little one change but not at the expense of my 8yr old.

    2) Myth of neutering… will we see with correcting his behavior a change in the aggressiveness after he is fixed?

    3) Are there any health concerns from not being vaccinated recently after his annual due date ?

    4) Are there any health concerns neutering at 1.5yr?

    thank you in advance,

  48. Jim Maleady says:

    My 9 year old non-neutered male shih tzu engages in attention seeking behavior that includes following me around, licking my leg, jumping on my leg, at times, from the minute I get home to our shore house. Today he was so worked up, panting that he suddenly had trouble getting up from the ground. My sister thought something was wrong with him, so we brought him to the local vet. She took his temp, and gave him a physical exam. She didn’t note any problem upon the exam. Why does he behave this way? Is it possible that he feels he must compete for my attention as their are 4 kids in the shore house. He’s been here all summer, and knows my sister and her kids. Is there something I can do to help curb this behavior? Jim

  49. Elyssa says:

    Please Help!

    I have a 7yr old male shih tzu. A week and 1/2 a go we took both our dogs (I have a 2yr old yellow lab as well) to go and get their shots, all was fine. However, just 3 days ago, we took our shih tzu to the groomers to get groomed. The very next day, he started having dark red blood in his stool and he has stopped eating (other than the dog treats which he LOVES) and has drank little water. He’s been sleeping a lot more and had been walking slower, he doesn’t even come running to the kitchen when he hears or sees us making food he just stays in his bed. I know that he’s getting up there in age, but I don’t think it’s his time yet. He’s a pretty happy dog and usually when I get home, I’ll cuddle with him and he’ll talk to me. I’m just really concerned about him not eating and the blood in his stool. Any suggestions?

  50. Marie says:

    I had a Rottweiler who died at age 8 from pyometria, she was suffered until I decided to put her to sleep. I regret not spaying her. Could have given me a few more years. Now I know it’s a good thing to spay, and your vet argument to me after what I experienced is really outrageous and you are Cornell educated vets. Shaking my head, RIP Sue.

  51. Denise says:

    We have 3 Tibetan Mastiffs , the eldest is an intact female, we decided against spaying her. We recently bought a female puppy, and adopted a male puppy from another litter . He was born with bowed front legs, which required bone surgery. He has now recovered and the pups are 7 months old. We do not want to spay the female puppy, or neuter the male puppy, but we are worried about any possible unforeseen accidents, with him passing on his genetics. Would you recommend a vasectomy? Also, would we need to find a specialist to perform this? We would appreciate your advice, our boy has a really sweet nature and has been through a lot , and we want to do the best thing for him.

  52. SheltieMom says:

    What are your thoughts about Proheart6 for heartworm prevention?

  53. Megan Wassung says:

    I am a vet, practising in South Africa and would like to inform my owners correctly about the merits of vaccinations. Would you be able to please forward the articles on which you base your vaccination recommendations on to me please. Or let me know the authors/journals please as I would hate to be stumped when asked for concrete evidence.
    Kind regards
    Dr. Megan Wassung

  54. Barb says:

    This may be a little long I apologize up front but, we have went through a lot in the last year. Maltese , M intact, #4.8 never had a Rabies vacc and last distemper/parvo 7 years ago. Aug 2013 had a dental he has had one every year this year they pulled 7 teeth one was a canine tooth in Sept brought him back told them he had changed aggressive towards sibling, running nose (examination only)they said his leg was bothering him put on pain meds he had 2 and then I took back in Oct said they found nothing wrong (just examination) the leg and age. I n Nov he was still not my boy. I decided to go to another vet out of town for a wellness examine and to get to the root of the problem his appt. was set for Dec 18th on the 13th he got deathly sick diagnose HGE the new vet was hour a way so I took to my old vet he said garbage gut sent home with meds and I called afterhours when he was having pure blood /clot they blew me off the next morning I drove to new vet where he was diagnosed and treated (he was in very bad shape shock pvc way high) he lived we got through that and he tore his acl in Jan his leg was in bad shape with chronic problem and other leg weak front legs had already started bowing. Got through surgery he was thriving and (bi-weekly blood work) because of pain meds acting like his old self then another bout of HGE in Feb and another in March the March one he did not recover like before so I took him back to the vet at that time we ran another blood panel he had a high infection his liver was failing and we x-rayed his mouth after I mention that he had been different since the dental found a oralnasal fistula and the upper jaw showed signs of inf. and just looked and felt cruddy he took him of the metronidazole ? he felt he was one that had a areaction put on another antibiotic denmarin the the HE hit and hard and he put on lactuse on L/D and RC hepatic food only in May blood was perfect we went well til Sept. then he was back to being down HE liver started failing again back to the same routine last bloodtest what was highest has lowered ALT is now 123 and what was low yet it was high is ALP is 490. We ran a bile test and it came back great so at this time what we believed before a acquired bile duct is probably not also x-ray and it was incloncusive but, what he could see looked great he does not want vacc so we ran a titer it is perfect we need to keep on diet and deamarin antibiotic lacatuse to keep he in check and re-test his bloodwork the 20th. I love my vet and think he is doing a great job just not understanding what it is anymore. Keep toxins away including floor cleaners shampoos no tea tree oil neem flea shampoo ect… organic baby food (veg) fine to mix with dry food stay away from sweet potatoes no flea or heartwoem prevention ever we will cross those bridges if we ever come to them. No medications unless he ok’s or other vet knows of the liver no sedation . Do you have any thoughts on what else we should be doing or testing for . liver biopsy ect.. is out of the question with his liver the way it is now the numbers are not as high as the first time in March which was in the 1800 and 1300 and then went down weekly until May ( he then gave me the results told me to put on the fridge) when it was perfect then bang Sept went back up. I will admit we laxed on the food at this time thinking he was fine. Any other thoughts or tests we should think of.

  55. Chris Knight says:

    Just a correction: on your Vaccinations page you have a typo:

    “Bordatella” should be spelt Bordetella, after the Belgian 1919 Nobel laureate for Medicine, Jules Bordet, 1870-1961, who contributed greatly to the understanding of the mammalian immune system.

    From an old veterinary pathologist

  56. shyann morgan says:

    Hi, my cat has been throwing up. she has a slight caugh, dry nose. I brush my cats constantly, with a flea comb to make sure these no fleas, havent found 1. But she has scabs on her back. I just gave her worming medicine. shes licking her self like crazy. my vet doesnt want to educate people. alergic to her dry food ? Shes on purena all natural dry food. my cats are indoor cats.Iam lost. if you do suggest a different dry food would you please tell me the kind. Thank you.. Shyann

  57. doggies says:

    my dog is nearly turning 7 months and had got to the worming tablets cause they fell on the ground and ate 2 of them and she weighs 10kg and you are only ment to have 1 for 10kg the worm tablet it self is all types of worm tablets into one and i looked up that u have to give alot of meat to the dog so it has other stuff in its systems as well can you please tell me what else to do, i asked my mum to call the vets but calling the vets after hours is very expensive :(

  58. Jacki says:

    Hi, my fiance and I just adopted a dog from the county shelter. He is a 13 month (ish) old terrier/pitbull/mix. They neutered him on Friday of last week and we brought him home on Saturday. Saturday-Wednesday night/Thursday morning his stools were extremely soft and a light brown color, but not quite to the point of diarrhea. He has not pooped since Thursday morning. All of the research I found online said that after surgery some bowel movement anomalies were perfectly normal. I just wanted to make sure that this isn’t a huge issue and when should I take him to the vet if the not pooping continues?

  59. Marcia M. says:

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    We don’t agree with the idea of neutering dogs just for the sake of it, and we would prefer not to do it, but now it is becoming a real problem as he won’t be accepted anywhere where there are other dogs, so we might have to go for it.
    Do you have some advice? Does it make a difference to neuter him at age 6? Will his behavior change (less energetic, become heavier, etc)?
    Thank you in advance for your response.

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  153. Troy H says:

    Hi angry Vet
    Why are the British so Angry and anal?( ref to the above comments)

  154. Anabel says:

    Hi angry Vets,
    If you eat cows, pigs and chickens but are appalled and angry when one Gorilla get killed is that thinking called animal-ist or a specie-ist ?
    Why is it ok to eat a calf and not your dog ?
    The distinction is what?

  155. Yui says:

    Hi, where can I buy un-vaccinated dogs, maltese or chihuahua?

    Greetings from Yu

  156. Mike Oregon says:

    Hello Angry vets,
    First, thank you for your wonderful (independent!) insights. Could you please, give me your opinion on 2 questions?
    1. We have a lovely 1 year and 3 month old miniature female Poddle. She is a service dog, inside dog, and always with us. She is not spayed and we are not going to breed her. HOWEVER, we would like her not to be exposed to aggressive surgery and the removal of such crucial organs unnecessarily. The risk of her getting pregnant is almost zero. I heard from many vets (surgically oriented, of course), that if she is not going to have puppies is better for her health to be spayed because of the risk of future female reproductive illnesses (which I don’t “bite”). How can permanently removing organs which regulate the whole hormonal system be “good”for her body? I heard such absolutely surreal arguments (supported by “research and statistics”) like you will be preventing future problems with the uterus and ovaries… (?!) (I guess if you surgically remove your hands, you will never suffer from arthritis in the finger…) What is your opinion on this specific case (no chances of getting pregnant).
    2. Also, I just got a reminder from the vet of the next vaccinations: DA2PP and Leptospirosis. I’ve already decided “no way” on the latest (after reading a few articles). However, I believe the DA2PP vaccine is a necessary and effective one. Am I correct about this?
    Thank you very much for your help and/or feedback, Angry Vets

  157. Margherite says:

    I adopted a cat (10 years old) from the shelter this past January. My vet administered a rabies vaccination since she was overdue at the shelter from December. In order to license her, the rabies must expire after May 2018. I asked my vet to fill out a waiver form, but she will not. She said it will not hurt the cat to administer another vaccination which is only 5 months later. What is your opinion?

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  160. Tamarra says:

    I have a 6 year old lab mix that has always had tummy troubles and urinary crystals. He has been on Royal Canine Urinary / Satiety food but the vet hasn’t gotten their shipment in. They offered to sell me the canned version of the Royal Canine Urinary / Satiety food but when I asked how much to feed him so I would know how many cans to get to hold him over until his dry food comes in, she couldn’t tell me and was unwilling to find out from anyone else. Is there a Non-RX food that will be gentle enough on his tummy and urinary tract for the next few days until his regular food comes in?

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